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Chris: Hi Sandra :)
JessicaSexton: HI! I'm kind of here -- reading a Pokemon book to Michael, but
wanted to have the window open so I could peek in :)
JessicaSexton: Hope Santa Fe is wonderful...wish we were there.
Chris: Hi Jessica
Sandra Dodd
We're listening to Joyce Fetteroll, here in
Santa Fe.
I think at chat time several people in this room
will be on the chat letting you know what Joyce is doing.
Chris: listening to Joyce Fetterol currently so participation will be
spotty on my part
JessicaSexton: That's what I'm hoping!
Chris: She's having us draw pictures
JessicaSexton: I'll just stay quiet here so you can all concentrate, and will look
forward to Joyce/Santa Fe updates as they come
Chris: so we followed her directions but we all had different pictures
Sandra Dodd: She told us things to draw and Roya Sorooshian and Richard Jennings
are taping them to the wall.
Sandra Dodd: She's talking about how we describe unschooling and other people
get wholly different pictures in their heads.
JulieDaniel joined the chat
Chris: Hi Julie
Sandra Dodd: Julie!
JulieDaniel: Hi
Sandra Dodd: (Julie is in England... we're sad about that)
Sandra Dodd: But Julie's safe; that's good.
JulieDaniel: I'm sad too. I was looking forward to it. It's still very cold and
snowy here.
Sandra Dodd: There was snow in the air this morning, but not on the ground
JulieDaniel: Is it all going well? Are people having fun and learning lots?
JessicaSexton: Oh Julie, were you meant to go to Santa Fe? Did the weather keep
you home?
JessicaSexton: Our relatives in England & Ireland have told us how extreme it
is.
JulieDaniel: Yes. I was supposed to be there. I spent 8 hours or so sitting on a
plane and it couldn't take off.
Tiffani: That's a bummer
JessicaSexton: Major bummer :{
JulieDaniel: Yes I was really fed up.
JessicaSexton: I was thinking it was lucky that Holly left in time
JulieDaniel: Yes I said that too. Good job it didn't snow 2 days earlier!
Chris: I'm sorry you couldn't be here Julie, I was hoping to meet you.
Sandra Dodd: Holly would have been unhappy and I would have been hugely
distracted if she had been snowed in at your house, Julie, but still I'm sad
you're snowed in at your house.
Tiffani: Good Morning Pam
JulieDaniel: I was looking forward to meeting everyone too. I hope there will be
another chance sometime.
Tiffani: There is a conference in Sacramento in August
JulieDaniel: We aren't exactly snowed in. There are only a few inches here. But
just too much snow for planes to take off without the wings being de-iced and
not enough de-icers to cope!
JessicaSexton: Yes! Come to Sacramento! I just heard Sandra will be there :)
Sandra Dodd: Julie, if you and James and Adam are coming out here (other than
the Sacramento time, which is a good idea--Kirby and I will be there)
Tiffani: I heard a rumor that Sandra will be there
Pam Sorooshian: Oh Julie - you should come to the Caifornia conference - Sandra
will be there.
JulieDaniel: When is it?
Sandra Dodd: We could invite others over like we did for Hema at the Monkey
Platter festival [Later note: That did end up happening, a year
later. We called it The Ace Festival.]
Pam Sorooshian: I will be there - I want to meet you. It will be August
19 to 22, 2010.
Sandra Dodd: We can do a mini-thing in Albuquerque, and maybe the water-park
hotel will be open.
Sandra Dodd: Or we could just invite people to come to the house every day.
Sandra Dodd: This morning I was wanting my own kitchen when I was trying to
cook.
Sandra Dodd: It worked out, but at home I REALLY know where things are, and I
have extra things.
Pam Sorooshian: Hey - this is the FIRST official announcement - Sandra Dodd and
Kirby Dodd will be speaking at the HSC Conference.
Sandra Dodd: And the store is walking distance.
JennyC: Aw the comforts of ones own kitchen!
JulieDaniel: I don't think we can make the August dates - our annual summer
holiday is Fri 20th - 27th. So unless we went late... I will have to talk to
James. Visiting Albuquerque could be an option. We'll see - I want to figure
something out.
JennyC: I gave my kitchen a little love yesterday and thought about my
appliances and how nice it is to have them
Sandra Dodd: summer holiday August 20-27?
Tiffani: I need to give my kitchen some love
Pam Sorooshian: I have chin on my head
Sandra Dodd: I have a photo of that.
Sandra Dodd: Sound bites:
Sandra Dodd: Unschooling is a way of life.
JulieDaniel: I mean my "cottage holiday" that I do with 6 other
families every year is 20 - 27 Aug so I don't think we can make the
California Conference.
Sandra Dodd: Always say yes. (Joyce said earlier that she was sorry she ever
wrote that.)
JennyC: that one gets misunderstood all the time
Sandra Dodd: People take it as a rule.
JennyC: I get why she said it though, and it's certainly helped me a lot!
Pam Sorooshian: I do like the idea of "default to yes"
JennyC: exactly
Sandra Dodd: Joyce: "Unschooling doesn't give us the right to take from
other people to provide for our kids."
Sandra Dodd: Planes take off without waiting, dads need to sleep, concrete can
fall and crack your head (still Joyce speaking)
Tiffani: Most parenting magazines I used to read said to say no first but
you can change it to yes
JennyC: yes, that's true Tiffani
JulieDaniel: I agree except the bit about planes taking off!!!
JulieDaniel: Mine didn't!
Sandra Dodd: I certainly did think of you, julie. <g>
JennyC: and a lot of them say that it's ok to be the bad guy and that your
kids need you to be tough and tell them "no" for their own good
JennyC: it's the same old same old
Pam Sorooshian: I think people say "no" without thinking much, so if we
switch that, make it "yes" as the default, then we have to think
more about "no" if we want to switch to that.
Sandra Dodd: Joyce is talking about helping our children learn about the
culture, be guides
Tiffani: I knew those magazine were stupid and I was 19 at the time.
Pam Sorooshian: John Rosemond says kids need LOTS of vitamin N
JennyC: if only one of his kids would out him
Chris: Jenny - what do you mean - out him?
JulieDaniel: Hi Robin!
Robinnn: Ack, I'm late. And I'm sitting right near Sandra.
Tiffani: I spent the other day with my MIL and she spent most of the time
telling me my kids need to here no more often
JennyC: if one of his kids started writing about how awful that is
Robinnn: Hi, Chris. Hi, Julie.
JennyC: Hi Robin!
Robinnn: Chris is sitting right next to me <g>
Robinnn: Hi, Jenny!
Chris: That'd be amazing - have there been stories or rumors?
Tiffani: She didnt have any reason other then I am to busy doing for the
kids and not enough time for outing like the one we were on.
JennyC: no, his kids are probably like my sister who still thinks she
deserved all those spankings and because of that, spanks her own kids
Jill P joined the chat
Tiffani: oh that is so sad
Sandra Dodd: Keith says always say yes isn't the opposite of never say no.
JennyC: Hi Jill!
Chris: My grandma was always the "yes" person in my life and I
loved and adored her for it. I suspect my granchildren won't notice as much
of a difference between me and their parents, at least I hope
JennyC: very sound reasoning on Keith's part!
Sandra Dodd: Pam says he's wrong.
JennyC: really why?
Chris: Because my kids won't say no to my grandchildren as much as my
parents said no to me
Sandra Dodd: They're arguing mathematically. I'm ignoring them.
JennyC: oh, ok
JennyC: let us know how that turns out!
Sandra Dodd: Joyce said "Play is idleness and idleness is a sin," but
Keith is saying obesity is a sin and play is the current-fashion cure for
obesity. <G>
Pam Sorooshian: what unschooling soundbites can you think of?
JennyC: oh man, sounds like family vacations at my parents house!
Sandra Dodd: "Children behave as well as they are treated." Commentary
by Beth Fuller about a bumper sticker used as a slogan/"truth", and
objecting because kids have "bad days"
Sandra Dodd: And that would be evidence that the parents are bad.
JennyC: in general kids do behave as well as they are treated, but nobody's
perfect
Chris: Our family is incredibly sinful we have both obesity and play!
Tiffani: mine too chris
Robinnn: It's something I still struggle with. That I couldn't possibly
be a good parent because Michelle had those bad days.
JennyC: oh Robin, Margaux makes me question everything I do sometimes!
JennyC: then I think of the alternative and how she'd be living that life
JennyC: and then I can reassure myself that all is good, even when it
doesn't feel like it
Robinnn: Exactly, Jenny. I can't imagine how awful her life might be if we
weren't doing this.
JennyC: my sister was kind of like that, very intense and she struggled
greatly with self esteem issues and depression as a teen because of all the
acts my parents did to make her mind
Robinnn: We're now talking about the length of time it takes to really
"get" unschooling, once you are introduced to it.
Robinnn: I'm glad Jenny that Michelle doesn't have that to deal with.
JennyC: some people get it right away and then iron things out as they go
Tiffani: How long is that. From my experience it took me a good year and a
half to feel like I understand
Chris: Jenny - similar situation with my brother - and I saw how much my
son was like my brother so I knew I had to do something different than my
parents did
Robinnn: Yes. Basically what Cindy (Socal) just said.
JennyC: me too, and I think of that with Margaux, because she isn't sad and
crying all the time like my sister did
Tiffani: To me the unschooling concepts felt right but figuring it all out
takes time
JessicaSexton: Jenny/Robin - I've been reassuring myself that way too, recently;
imagining just how much worse things could be if we'd chosen school (and
traditional parenting)
Robinnn: Jill's saying it would take lots longer for people who are
controlling.
Tiffani: I think learning to trust myself it what is taking the longest
Chris: I read and thought and dabbled with unschooling for seven years
before I really GOT it - and it took a crisis to kick me into it
Chris: I was controlling
JennyC: people who are controlling, sometime can't ever get far enough to
see the benefits
Robinnn: Me, too, but I didn't think I was. Sometimes I still am. I'm still
getting it. And I started reading Sandra's site when Michelle was 6 or 7.
Chris: but, once I got it, and recognized my controlling urges for what
they were, I was able to recognize them and control them <g>
JessicaSexton: Chris - <g>
Robinnn: So you get to control things anyhow! What a great strategy!
JennyC: I started really reading a lot in the unschooling dot com days and
it's all thanks to Margaux who wouldn't sleep unless I was holding her, so I
would be stuck sitting, and couldn't just sit, so I read
JennyC: and Chamille has always been very good at entertaining herself, so
it worked great
Tiffani: My son started dating an unschooled girl and she allowed me to pick
her brain all the time.
Sandra Dodd: Pam s: "As soon as I knew what I was looking for, I saw my own
kids" (talking about how she "got" unschooling, after she had
joined an unschooling co-op group)
Chris: You have to be doing it to actually get it - Pam said
Sandra Dodd: Meaning, when she knew what unschooling/natural learning should
look like, what she saw was that she needed to let her kids do things
uninterrupted, and not need to do what the group had prescribed, and report
on it.
Tiffani: It helped me to see this amazing strong and brilliant young lady
who could explain this world to me
Chris: That's cool Tiffani - are they still together?
Tiffani: Yep a year and a half now
Tiffani: I Just love her.
JulieDaniel: I started reading Sandra's site when Adam was 2. I'm happy I found
it early! I might have done a lot of damage otherwise!
Sandra Dodd: The question: How much do they need to learn? (using knitting and
sewing examples)
JennyC: yes, Julie! I did things that I regret doing before I ever learned
of unschooling
JulieDaniel: We did attachement parenting but we were just getting to the stage
where he was getting his own ideas about things and I might have
"squashed" him if I hadn't been reading Sandra's stuff around then.
JennyC: Sandra, I suppose it depends on how well crafted you want it.
sometimes one can learn to do those things very sloppily
Robinnn: Me, too. Partially because I didn't understand it yet. Partially
because I was surrounded by people who were definitely not unschoolers.
JennyC: I'm just lucky I had Chamille first, cuz she was always an easy
going, go with the flow kinda kid
Robinnn: Yeah. You're so lucky!
Sandra Dodd: I'm really not reading everything, but I hope to later.
JennyC: Margaux's lucky because she came second with a whole lot more
awareness and knowledge on my part
Robinnn: Yes, indeed.
Sandra Dodd: The room is exciting at the moment, so if someone writes to me in
here and I seem to ignore it, I'll try to look later. Sorry.
Robinnn: Young people are talking. It's cool.
JulieDaniel: That was something I was looking forward to hearing. Is it being
taped do you know?
JennyC: I so want to be there, with unschoolers in one of my favorite
places ever
JennyC: hehe julie, taped
JennyC: you just dated yourself
Sandra Dodd: No taping.
Sandra Dodd: Not here.
Robinnn: No, it's not being taped.
JulieDaniel: I did didn't I?! Yo uknow what I mean though...
Pam Sorooshian: no recording, sorry
JennyC: I still say record store
JennyC: Chamille says music store
Robinnn: Me. too.
Pam Sorooshian: talking about not living in the shadow of school.
Sandra Dodd: Jill says her kids can go out and sniff out unschoolers.
JennyC: that's a good talent
Sandra Dodd: Roya says her cousin said "We met some of your people!"
and sure enough, they had met a group of unschoolers in a restaurant.
JennyC: I wish that Chamille could sniff them out and actually have things
in common
JennyC: sometimes we live in the shadow of school because of her choice of
friends
Robinnn: But you're not doing school to keep up, which is what Sandra was
talking about.
JennyC: yes, but with the imagery of shadow, it puts a big shadow on our
sunny unschooling sometimes
Robinnn: You have a different shadow :-(
Chris: Zach is eager to find out if his good schooled friend has decided
to stay home after winter break -- her parents have allowed her that choice.
We'll find out when we get home from here.
Pam Sorooshian: tell jill to speak up <G>
JennyC: where did you go Jill?
JennyC: which is also my sister's name and not many people have that name
Tiffani: What are the young people saying?
Chris: They're talkiing about all the strewing their parents did, but they
didn't realize it was intentional strewing until they were older and heard
their moms talk about it
JennyC: that's interesting
Chris: Pam says there's more stuff in one of the Dodd's bathrooms then
most people have in their whole house
Jill P: sorry page timed out, and I'm here listenting, and not thingking
tyo type
Pam Sorooshian: When Marty first heard Sandra speak at a conference, his response
was, "I didn't know you knew all that stuff."
Pam Sorooshian: Talking about how the kids started to actually be aware of what
unschooling is....
Robinnn: Roya googled her mom to find out about unschooling.
Sandra Dodd: Roya was talking about how when she was little she didn't like her
mom being on the computer so much.
JennyC: Chamille is pretty aware of unschooling at this point, margaux much
less so
Sandra Dodd: So she's talking about finding a lot of that, and then she looked
over and saw Pam typing and said "She's over there doing it right
now."
JennyC: I try not to be on the computer all the time when margaux is awake
and busy
JennyC: she wouldn't never allow it anyway
JennyC: a small bit perhaps, but she really wants my attention and that is
totally valid, so I give it to her
JulieDaniel: Adam is aware that we do things diffeently. He asked me the other
day "Mum does auntie Cath (may sister) try to make us do our lives like
they do theirs? You know like you have to go to bed early every day and you
only get chocolate if you do something really, really good" So he
doesn't know a name but he's noticed it's different.
Jill P: Seee....Adam will be able to sniff out unschoolers.
JulieDaniel: yeah he probably will!
Robinnn: Julie, we've gotten a sense of how cool Adam is from Holly's
stories.
JennyC: we can sniff out other homeschoolers, but we rarely run into
unschoolers
JulieDaniel: That's sweet! He is really missing Holly.
JennyC: I was just reading something that Pam wrote in
unschoolingdiscussion about the altitude... every time we go to NM, margaux
spends the first day throwing up from it
JennyC: it probably takes longer for the water to come to a boil too
Robinnn: I've been drinking lots of water and I keep getting headaches. Pam
was running out of breath while she was speaking.
JennyC: yeah, we experience that, and lotion is a must have while in NM
JennyC: my hair like NM though! no moisture frizzies
JennyC: and I love the way it smells there
Pam Sorooshian: rosie said that when her generation of unschoolers has kids, they
won't think in terms of school - and the term "unschooling" won't
make much sense to them.
Pam Sorooshian: They are beyond that.
JennyC: yes
JennyC: Chamille and I were talking about school yesterday and how at one
point she had really wanted to go, but didn't and thought she was missing out
on something great, but now she's grateful that she was spared all the
nonsense
Robinnn: Yum. Peanut butter cheerio bars that Chris made.
JennyC: Margaux would love that
JennyC: she was asking about getting cheerios the other day and
marshmallows are a pretty standard staple food item in our house
JennyC: since receiving a pile of really cute hats, she pulled her baby
dolls out and was wanting eat cheerios and feed her babies some too
Sandra Dodd: Rosie's asking why we care that someone else says they're
unschooling and we don't think they are, or if they claim they've been doing
it for years if they haven't
Robinnn: Sweet! We love Cheerios at our house.
Sandra Dodd: And we don't know exactly but people are throwing out ideas.
Robinnn: It's a great discussion.
JennyC: well, if someone is really trying to get it working and taking
advice from well meaning others, it does make a difference
Robinnn: Jill doesn't want to be associated with people who call themselves
unschoolers, when they're not at all unschoolers.
JennyC: I've experienced that
JennyC: we tried to be involved in a local get together play time thing and
all the parents said they were unschooling, but when it came time for their
kids to eat at the snack table, they were super controlling about what the
kids ate, and it created this huge unpleasantness that surrounded the event
BeaMantovani joined the chat
Robinnn: Hi, Bea!
BeaMantovani: hi!
JulieDaniel: hi Bea
Robinnn: I wish all you guys were here. We're laughing so much.
JennyC: It's all part of how I got in a big upset locally, online, and then
met other people who were really unschooling, all because of food controlling
others who wanted everyone else to agree that they were still unschooling
even though they controlled all those little things
BeaMantovani: Hi Julie in the US :)
JulieDaniel: I'm not in the US Bea!
BeaMantovani: no? not yet?
JulieDaniel: My plane couldn't take off because of the snow here. I'm sad and in
the UK!
JennyC: she got snowed in
BeaMantovani: oh no!
BeaMantovani: so sorry to hear that!
Pam Sorooshian: rosie is saying maybe we should just stop labeling ourselves -
Pam Sorooshian: but roya says it does greater good than harm to have a label for
what we do
JulieDaniel: yes it's a bummer, but we have a little window on the conference
right here...
JennyC: chamille is proud to be an unschooler
JennyC: margaux is picking up on that, but without all the awareness
Robinnn: Michelle, too.
Pam Sorooshian: someone told about how they'd known a family that called themselves
unschoolers - and the family was really not at all, at ALL, how they'd want
to be with their kids.
JennyC: it's why she like conferences... not to meet other teens, but to be
around other adults who treat her like a real person
Pam Sorooshian: and that contact with that so-called unschooling family really
turned them away from unschooling for a long time.
JennyC: I've seen that happen too Pam
Sandra Dodd: Roya just looked over Pam's shoulder and realized that lots of us
are on the same chat
Sandra Dodd: And I've already read something Julie wrote (and then Holly made a
follow-up comment)
Sandra Dodd: And I read something Jenny wrote
Sandra Dodd: So we have great crossover/surface between this chat and the
discussion in Santa Fe at the moment.
JulieDaniel: It's nice to be a little bit there!
Robinnn: I'm watching Kirby's face while Rosie and Roxana talk in sign
language. Sort of like people who come on a list and go "what are you
talking about"! Confused <g>
Jill P: We were talking about you this morning Julie....all of us so sad
about your flight being cancelled.
JulieDaniel: me too
JulieDaniel: it was my birthday and Christmas present
JulieDaniel: James says I can have another one but even so...
Jill P: Oh no!!!
JennyC: it's even more disappointing then knowing you couldn't go and not
planning for it
Jill P: the Oh no was about it being your bday and christamas present and
you not getting it.
JulieDaniel: Yes. I *will* get to meet you all sometime though I am sure.
Robinnn: We're having a moment of sadness and mourning for you.
Sandra Dodd: Holly's acting out "I'm trying to find the animal bus"
JulieDaniel: OK. Long enough. Smile again please.
JennyC: how does one act that out?
JulieDaniel: Animal bus is good for a smile.
Robinnn: We're smiling!
JulieDaniel: Holly says "What are you doing" Adam walks around with
his eyes closed bumping into stuff saying "I'm trying to find the animal
bus" (a plastic box with wheels where he keeps his stuffed animals)
JulieDaniel: or maybe not quite bumping into stuff, I can't remember.
JennyC: that's cute
Robinnn: Holly did a pretty good imitation then, Julie.
JulieDaniel: She'll know it better than I do - it was hers and Adam's thing!
JulieDaniel: So what else are the young people saying? Or the older ones come to
that?
JennyC: it must be lots since nobody is here talkin
Pam Sorooshian: We're talking about people accusing unschoolers talking about their
lives of lying. -- Rosie
Pam Sorooshian: we are talking about parenting being the basis of culutre...and our
culture is changing --Roya
Pam Sorooshian: and I think that people who look at our lives and say "it's
not realistic" are jealous, and are preparing themselves for failure -
so they don't have to feel guilty about not doing it.
Pam Sorooshian: because if they can't possibly attain it,, they might as well not
try. and if they don't try, they don't have to face failing.
Chris: or they'll blame their kids -- that might work for kids like yours
but my kids need structure -- blah, blah, blah
Pam Sorooshian: holly is confirming julie's cleanliness habits
Pam Sorooshian: (about her house)
JulieDaniel: oh dear, is it bad?!
Pam Sorooshian: that you don't have to be messy to be an unschooler
JennyC: that's true! you don't
Pam Sorooshian: (which is a good thing to clarify if you've ever seen our house)
JennyC: is your house all clean and stuff
JennyC: probably much more so with all older kids
Robinnn: Mine is mostly, but because Ross likes to clean up.
JulieDaniel: I get frustrated if the creative urge strikes and we can't find the
card or the scissors like *now* so I need to know where stuff is!
JennyC: margaux makes little messes everywhere she goes and sometimes I
can't keep up with it
JulieDaniel: So I tend to tidy as I go along or, if I can't (which is a lot)
after Adam is in bed.
Pam Sorooshian: Rosie: Ours is cleaner than it was when we were all little, but
it's mostly because there's usually just me living at home - Roxana and Roya
don't live there anymore, so we only have three peoples worth of mess.
JennyC: she likes it that way though, and sometimes gets really upset if I
clean up
JessicaSexton: I think part of the "it's not realistic" is also a way of
excusing oneself from the huge internal work it does take to make the shift
& keep things shifted
Pam Sorooshian: we are saying that it comes to your priorities - if cleanliness is
important to you and therefore comes naturally...woohoo. but if you are
making the choice between clean house and happy kids..maybe rethink your
priorities.
Pam Sorooshian: by the way, pam has given up the computer to rosie and roya now..
JulieDaniel: I agree. I pay someone to clean for 3 hours once a week and I do
almost no cleaning myself. But the *tidying* is for me and it's not instead
of being with Adam - it's to make it easier for me when I am, if that makes
sense.
JulieDaniel: And it does get messy too sometimes, whatever Holly says!
JennyC: yes
JennyC: one day my house will be cleaner
Pam Sorooshian: someone once said "cleaning up after my kids is like giving
them a blank canvas"
JulieDaniel: I love that Pam.
JennyC: margaux is getting older and chamille is starting to spontaneously
clean
JennyC: that might have been me that said that, because I've said that lots
Pam Sorooshian: and parents who watch their kids well know what are the messes that
are cleanupable and what are the projects that just look like messes
JennyC: that is how I view cleaning up, giving my kids a blank canvas...
and while they are in the midst of painting that canvas things get all messy
again
JulieDaniel: yes!
Pam Sorooshian: my mom is saying that when she grew up, she didn't want to end
projects because it would end in unhappiness because they haaaad to clean up
JennyC: oh I know that feeling!
Pam Sorooshian: she's also talking about "just in time cleaning" - where
you clean up space for your kids right when they want to do a project.
JennyC: which, at my house, would be EVERY time I clean up a space
Pam Sorooshian: there is also the difference in cleaning to facilitate projects and
fun and learning, rather than cleaning because you are obsessing about it,
and it has to be YOUR WAY
JennyC: and sometimes I'd be cleaning up a space for me to use and leave
the room for just a moment and it would be taken
Pam Sorooshian: sandra says - children have to be the priority over the illusion of
perfection
Pam Sorooshian: and when you talk to people you have to first define the illusion
of perfection
Pam Sorooshian: saying you are cleaning to give a blank canvas to your children is
GIVING, rather than being antagonistic to your children. It's about the
emotion you are putting behind it... - from sandra
JennyC: just like there will always be dirty clothes, doing ALL the laundry
and being done is an illusion
JennyC: same with dishes and well, everything really
Pam Sorooshian: now the dodds are talking about ninja turtle fruit snacks
Pam Sorooshian: ...and such is the circular topic of unschooling
Jill P: Is it ok to throw out random things????
JennyC: no never Jill, it's very much not allowed
Pam Sorooshian: it's because sandra hates freedom
Jill P: Sandra said...how you cast yourself. and I heard ...how you cast
your spells....Played too much WoW
JennyC: it's against the rules
Pam Sorooshian: wooow jill, that's awesome
JennyC: it works though
JennyC: moms can be magical
Pam Sorooshian: the talk is winding down
Pam Sorooshian: sandra is about to make announcements
JulieDaniel: Thanks for giving us a peek at what is going on.
Pam Sorooshian: this is fun I like this chat. I think I will show up more often
JessicaSexton: This has been such a treat! Thank you!!
Pam Sorooshian: ps, this is Roya and has been for the last 15 minutes
JulieDaniel: Thanks Roya!
JennyC: cool Roya!
Pam Sorooshian: actually now at this moment it's Roxana. Briefly. It'll be Roya
again in a second. But hello chat room people!
JennyC: hello Roxana
JulieDaniel: Hello Roxana
JulieDaniel: Hope you are having fun in Santa Fe
JessicaSexton: lol - hi!
JulieDaniel: Enjoy the rest of the conference!
Pam Sorooshian: Thanks Julie - sorry you couldn't be with us! -- Rosie
JulieDaniel: me too. another time maybe...
JennyC: last night I cleaned the toaster oven for Chamille, she appreciated
it a lot, it was really messy because it's hard to clean. As I was cleaning
it I was kept thinking about how much she'll appreciate being able to see
through the glass door
Chris: that's sweet Jenny
Chris: on both your parts
JennyC: that's mom magic
JulieDaniel: Adam says mums have magic kisses
JennyC: she had floated into the kitchen when I was finishing up cleaning
the microwave and we were discussing how some people let their microwaves get
really gross... and she said, oh, like our toaster over?
Chris: lol
Pam Sorooshian: and suddenly there is a math anxiety talk happening in here
Chris: our microwave gets pretty gross
JennyC: so clearly that had bugged her, so I thought perhaps I'd clean it
all up for her to enjoy
JennyC: just so long as there isn't theoretical math for the sake of
theoretical math
JennyC: that one MUST know
Pam Sorooshian: my mom just got so excited she stood up to talk
Pam Sorooshian: algebra is the filter subject
Pam Sorooshian: what would your college degree be worth if everybody could get it?
JulieDaniel: that's cool!
Pam Sorooshian: so every subject has a filter subject
Pam Sorooshian: for math majors, it's algebra
JennyC: Chamille doesn't have any math anxiety, but she's thinking about
taking the GED this summer and has no desire at all to learn anything about
the math portion
Pam Sorooshian: not even math majors - k-10
JennyC: right
JennyC: algebra is a big deal
JennyC: or it's made into one
Pam Sorooshian: math professionals don't even try to pretend that they don't try to
weed out people with algebra
JennyC: I did great in college algebra, but I really didn't like it much
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