July 2 2014
Topic: Connectionshttp://chatnotes-unschooling.blogspot.pt...
Topic: Connectionshttp://chatnotes-unschooling.blogspot.pt...
From Sandra's notes for today's chat:
"Connections (specifically with Thinking Sticks), July 2 at the new time. (You don't need to own Thinking Sticks to play; if someone has some for an honest throw, that might be good. I would need to make a set here.)
heathermbooth: Yaaaawwn! Good morning. 
heathermbooth: I have Thinking Sticks.
Marta Pires: Hi Heather! I've got some Thinking Sticks too.
Rippy: Good morning Heather 
Hi Marta!
Hi Marta!
Rippy: This is a better time for me I think :-0
Jaclyn Koehl: Good Morning, I don't have thinking sticks but am familiar from Sandra's site and look forward to reading today.
Jill Parmer: Glad to hear this is a better time for people. I can be here.
Virginia Warren: I like this time, also.
Debbie
Hi everyone. This is the first of Sandra's chat's I've joined. They were previously on at 4am my time in Australia. Now it's positively early at 1:30am! I look forward to reading, too.
Rippy: Oh Debbie! Are you a night owl or is it tough for you to stay awake?
Debbie: I'm a night owl, but 4am is pushing it for the start of a chat
Rippy: I imagine it would
Marta Pires: Debbie, are you Debbie Regan?
Debbie: Yes, Marta, hello
Marta Pires: Hi!
Marta Pires: Just wanted to let you know that I love your writings!
Debbie: Oh, thank you!! I'm so glad to have all of you unschoolers in my life, even though we're all over the world
Rippy: Me too Debbie! I love your writings too!
Virginia Warren:
Marta Pires: Wow, it looks like this really is a better time for everyone! So many cool people here already! Yay!
heathermbooth: Debbie, do you have a blog you write at?
AlexPolikowsky4 joined the chat 4 hours ago
Debbie: Thanks Rippy! I love your writing too
I love your writing too Rippy: Thank you!
Marta Pires: I feel the same way, Debbie. I feel so lucky to be able to be in touch with all these cool moms that are scattered all over the world.
Rippy: It makes the world feel nice and small and for the 'unusual' things we do seem pretty usual
Marta Pires: Indeed Rippy
Jill Parmer: That feeling gets stronger, I think Rippy. I look at so many conventional things now and scratch my head in bewilderment at the lack of thought behind those actions.
Sandra Dodd: I do too, Jill.
AlexPolikowsky4: Me three
Marta Pires: Me four (already)
Sandra Dodd: Peole can depart from the path by just a few degrees and never come near that path again. But we did a kind of 180, and we meet the rest having done a complete circumnavigation, and it seems like another planet, in a way, after a few years.
Sandra Dodd: -=-Debbie: I'm a night owl, but 4am is pushing it for the start of a chat smile-=-
Rippy: I wonder if it's because we can surround ourselves with the ideas of others that think similar thoughts as us more and have less in depth conversations with people who are really different in their beliefs
Sandra Dodd: I like to go to sleep, and I can get up early, so when I was at Schuyler's one night I just set the alarm and was up at 4:30 or whatever it was.
Marta Pires: Another planet, yes! That describes it perfectly, Sandra.
Sandra Dodd: Another aspect of the same planet. The same planet, polarized. We see what others see, but we see a different "normal" maybe?
The same planet, polarized. We see what others see, but we see a different "normal" maybe?
Debbie: Heather, no I haven't thought about blogging...
Sandra Dodd: For a while I had a chat that was scheduled to pick up Australia and India, but people weren't coming, and it wasn't a great time for me (9:00 to11:00 at night, I think) so I let it go.
Sandra Dodd: We have enough people!
Sandra Dodd: I want to play Thinking Sticks.
Sandra Dodd: but I don't have a set made up.
Sandra Dodd: Does someone else here have a set handy?
heathermbooth: Marta and I both have sets.
Jill Parmer: I think it's because so much unschooling discussion made sense to me and I turned toward my kids rather than conventional parenting. Snowballed from there. 
heathermbooth: I've got mine here.
Sandra Dodd: Heather, please pick two without looking and throw them.
Marta Pires: I do too.
Sandra Dodd: And if you don't like the two that come up, do it again.
heathermbooth: shoes and chemistry
Sandra Dodd: (or turn one over)
Sandra Dodd: Shoes and chemistry!
Sandra Dodd: I remember when rubber-bottomed shoes were new and high-tech! KEDS.
AlexPolikowsky4: Going to grab mine!
heathermbooth: I like the other sides better.
Sandra Dodd: "Run faster, jump higher!" they used to say.
renee c: I like that they have inserts that make shoes less smelly.
Sandra Dodd: Anyone, everyone, come up with some connection.
Marta Pires: Yes, Jill. Turning toward Conchinha was so important. I'm glad I found you guys and learned so much from you to be able to do that.
I'm glad I found you guys and learned so much from you to be able to do that.
Jill Parmer: I was in a shoe store with Addi recently and they had Jelly sandals. wow. That was a blast from the past.
heathermbooth: KEDS make me think of the movie Dirty Dancing. The main female character wore them. I can't remember her name. Anyway, I bought a pair after seeing them movie. But that's shoes and movies. 
Sandra Dodd: Renee, they also thought to put grommets (little metal-reinforced holes) in the sides near arches on some shoes, to let some air in there!
Sandra Dodd: Baby
Marta Pires: I'm wearing my Havaianas, that I love, and they are Brazilian and remind me of Alex.
Sandra Dodd: (in Dirty Dancing, wearing the Keds.)
renee c: And mesh on sneakers for some air flow too
Virginia Warren joined the chat 3 hours ago
heathermbooth: Right, "Nobody puts Baby in the corner." !!
AlexPolikowsky4: My Havaianas broke this winter! I need new ones so bad! Only flip flops I like
Sandra Dodd: Shoe polish.
Serah: But was baby actually her name though?
renee c: My daughter loves flip flops but we can't find any brand that doesn't break within a week or so.
AlexPolikowsky4: Baby was a nickname Serah
renee c: Special glues they use to make & repair shoes instead of stitching everythign
Sandra Dodd: Holly was wearing some boots that had been mine in the early 1970's. She was wearing them a couple of months ago. And she said a homeless guy looked at them and said something like "Why do girls think they don't need to polish their shoes?"
AlexPolikowsky4: Dirty Dancing reminds me of my best friend because she loved loved the movie
renee c: LOL!
Jill Parmer: Baby Houseman.
Sandra Dodd: So a homeless guy complained about the state of those 40-year-old boots.
Rippy: special materials inside shoes to make them more comfy - soft and squishy, instead of hard like wood
heathermbooth: It's a good movie
Serah: Be right back gotta change a bum
Rippy: I can only stay for about 15 minutes. Graham wants to go out to see a movie
Jill Parmer: Forensics. Checking debris on shoes or footprints at a crime scene.
Sandra Dodd: So I asked if she wanted some brown shoe polish. She said nah… And the zipper broke on them at a camping event in late May, so she closed them with duct tape (that's one step from chemistry and shoes—duct tape is pretty useful) and now they are no longer viable boots.
AlexPolikowsky4: Baby's real name is Francis
Sandra Dodd: Jill, GOOD ONE!
AlexPolikowsky4: ( I googled it)
renee c: I never really got the appeal so much. But we were watching Gilligan the other day and there was a boy on the island. He looked vaguely familiar so I imdb'd it and it was Kurt Russell!! (who looks very much like Patrick Swayze, I always got them mixed up)
Sandra Dodd: Rippy, I am THRILLED that modern shoes have soft linings.
Sandra Dodd: Kurt Russell was THE child actor in the 1960's.
Jill Parmer: Duct tape so useful. You can use it to get rid of warts.
heathermbooth: I like leather insoles in my boots and am having a hard time finding someone to do that here in California. Not so hard to find in Texas.
Rippy: Me too Sandra! I'm happy to pay the extra money to feel like I'm walking on something soft like a trampoline instead of uncomfortable wood. I can walk much longer and that's very useful in Europe.
AlexPolikowsky4: I can only use very comfy shoes. If anything bothers or rubs my feet wrong it drives me crazy!
Sandra Dodd: The last time I went to a doctor with a Plantar's wart he said to put duct tape on it and charged me $80.
Sandra Dodd: It's the main reason I never go to the doctor anymore without reading on the internet.
Sandra Dodd: That's probably where he saw it.
Jill Parmer: Yikes. Probably.
renee c: Seriously, my husband had the doctor check out the fungal infection in his toenails and doc said - apple cider vinegar works just as well as the prescription meds without the side effects
AlexPolikowsky4: HA! Going to try that on Gigi, Duct tape!
Virginia Warren: I have a painful wart on my toe I'm treating with duct tape.
Sandra Dodd: The shoes like jellies and Crocs are surely designed by a team that includes plastics engineering.
Sandra Dodd: They need to keep their shape in winter and summer.
Virginia Warren: Crocs are the best.
Sandra Dodd: Chemistry!
Virginia Warren: Like walking on foam pads all the time.
heathermbooth: Austin had a wart on his foot when he was 5 or 6. The doctor told us she could freeze it off but that it would be painful. She sent us home with the duct tape trick and told us to call if it didn't work.
Sandra Dodd: Even leather shoes are treated to keep the leather soft but strong.
Virginia Warren: The have Crocs infused with silver to prevent fungal growth
renee c: Opinions on crocs are so polarized. I think they are adorable on babies.
Sandra Dodd: Leather has gone with chemistry since there ever was leather.
AlexPolikowsky4: Cannot use crocs in the Summer - too sweaty- cannot use in the winter - huge static build up. Only fall and Spring!
AlexPolikowsky4: HA
Jill Parmer: The running shoes I have now, squeak when I walk through wet grass or puddles. They quality checkers did not check those very well.
Sandra Dodd: Tanning with ashes and urine and whatever all...
Virginia Warren: And that accept orthotics.
Sandra Dodd: But to make fancy men's shoes with leather, I have no idea how they treat it, but there are lots of ways.
renee c: Oh, I've had that problem before Jill. So annoying at work to squeak down the hallway.
Sandra Dodd: And I don't know what the patent is on "patent leather," but it absolutely had to do with chemistry!
renee c: But now that it's summer I think the flip flop smacking outdoes the shoe squeaking.
AlexPolikowsky4: Squeakers! I always end up with those
Jill Parmer: I walk through wet grass in the morning with my dogs, and I have squeaky shoes all the way home. Then I forget about it when I take them off, so happy that the noise stopped I guess. And do the same thing the next morning.
Sandra Dodd: I have several pairs of crocs and when they get sweaty I switch to another pair.
renee c: And glow in the dark stuff on kid shoes -- that's chemistry too.
Virginia Warren: Croc flops.
Sandra Dodd: Maybe the dogs like it. Maybe it makes you like a happy sqeak toy.
heathermbooth: My new birkenstocks make a farting noise when I walk. So, that's fun...
Sandra Dodd: Yes! Strips of reflective tape, too.
Jill Parmer: Oh dear. You might be right, one of the dogs loves shoes.
renee c: Rubber boots must have some chemistry to them to keep the rubber flexible and not have it brittle.
Sandra Dodd: I had some shoes that—in combination with the shape of the bottom of my foot—farted. I ended up wearing socks with sandles if I wanted to wear those.
renee c: Some boots aren't done well and they crack easily.
Sandra Dodd: Vulcanized rubber.
Sandra Dodd: I saw a little bit about it on CBS Sunday morning a couple of weeks back.
Sandra Dodd: Big breakthrough.
Jill Parmer: Leather conditioner. Waterproofing. Waxing. of shoes.
heathermbooth: I'm wondering if it ever gets so hot to melt shoes. I have a vague memory of something like that happening to some flip flops. Or maybe it was something told to me to scare so I'd remember to bring my shoes in.
Sandra Dodd: When I was a kid we played with rubber balls. Pink, like the pink erasers. But the balls (and the erasers, in the 1950's and early 1960's) only lasted one season and they got hard and then gross. Crumbly, for the balls. Rock-hard, for the erasers.
Sandra Dodd: So that change in rubber is what allowed the soles on Keds sneakers, and other things.
Jill Parmer: Yes. People who put there feet up too near the campfire = melted shoes.
Sandra Dodd: When flip-flops cost 29¢ I bet they could melt.
heathermbooth: Ah...maybe that's what it was.
Sandra Dodd: True about campfires!
renee c: I didn't know that. Reminds me of the documentary on wheels for skates & skateboards and how it changed the sports so dramatically to get the polyurethane wheels
Sandra Dodd: Of course they can melt a coke bottle, too, after a few hours.
Sandra Dodd: Marta, throw two sticks, please!
heathermbooth: What about shoes breaking down in landfills? I wonder how long it takes? I wonder if in the future shoes that break down in landfills will be a selling point.
AlexPolikowsky4: Havaianas Brazilian flip flops have been the same for as long as I remember ( as a young child) and they are still the best. They also do not smell>
Jill Parmer: I knew a guy who would gouge out lines and other marks on his kids' hiking boots. In case they ever got lost, it would be a great help to trackers.
renee c: Awesome idea, Jill
Sandra Dodd: Right—Renee, that's going toward nylon. More chemistry / plastics engineering!
Sandra Dodd: Good point, Heather. But I've used biodegradable pots for plants, and the plant last too long. That would happen with biodegradable shoes, too.
Sandra Dodd: People would end up discarding them before they would have otherwise, and so buy more shoes.
AlexPolikowsky4: I remember the plastic shoes and those made your feet so smelly. Who remembers them? Melissa was the brand
Sandra Dodd: Mart's not here.
heathermbooth: I've got Italy and Joy
Sandra Dodd: Okay.
Marta Pires: Sorry, I'm back
Sandra Dodd: Italy and joy, or let Marta throw two?
Marta Pires: Can I throw my sticks?
Sandra Dodd: Okay
AlexPolikowsky4: Italians are very joyful people it seems
Marta Pires: Wow, I've got Etiquette and Joy! 
heathermbooth:
Sandra Dodd: Oh joy!
Marta Pires: Joy is a good one.
Sandra Dodd: Let's do etiquette and joy, with extra points for including Italy.
Marta Pires: Hehehe
Sandra Dodd: When people get excited, sometimes it's okay to express that joy and sometimes it's more courteous to breathe and be still, rather than squeal excitedly.
Rippy: Oh I just came back from Italy and I can confirm Italy = Joy!
Sandra Dodd: (Like at the reading of a will.)
AlexPolikowsky4: Etiquette is great! and it is different from place to place. So in Italy the way you use utensils will be different because of the type of food they eat very joyfully! Italian suppers are all about friends , family and joy!
Marta Pires: Alex just got extra points!
Sandra Dodd: Here is a photo of shadows/projections. The photo was taken in Italy. People do smile.
Sandra Dodd
Sandra Dodd: Darn. It's not going to show.
heathermbooth: When we would go to the Greek Festival in Austin yelling Opa! and slamming a plate on the ground was OK during the dancing portion. That wouldn't be an OK thing to do at the soup fest where people hand paint and donate bowls for charity.
AlexPolikowsky4: In Korean people share the same main dish. They eat out of it together. They also one arm holds the other while serving a drink/tea That is etiquette there.
Debbie: The first link showed up for me. O.O
AlexPolikowsky4: Shadow ! I have seen that Sandra! Well played Italians!
Sandra Dodd: Oh! If you click the second link the image might show.
Rippy joined the chat 3 hours ago
Sandra Dodd: Only certain times of day.
Misa: I have friends who think that etiquette leads away from joy. I disagree. I think the etiquette CAN lead away from joy if it's there for no point, but often, it's shorthand for "agreed friendly behavior" and that can lead to more joy.
Marta Pires: Yes, the image shows, Sandra. (the second link)
Sandra Dodd: I agree, Misa.
Rippy: I've got to run now! Hopefully I'll be at more chats this summer. Have fun playing everyone!
AlexPolikowsky4: I agree Misa!
Sandra Dodd: People who complain about etiquette commit TWO social sins.
Marta Pires: Bye Rippy!
Sandra Dodd: Bye, Rippy!
Rippy: Bye!
Debbie: Bye Rippy!
Sandra Dodd: Alex, you want to throw two sticks?
AlexPolikowsky4: Etiquette is also so interesting!!!!! I learned a lot of French Etiquette because of my grandmother and greatgrandmother ( who was French)
Sandra Dodd: (On the other one, people love watching Downton Abbey for the etiquette.
Sandra Dodd: There was one error.
AlexPolikowsky4: She served meals with all the utensils, glasses, and so one.
AlexPolikowsky4: YES On Downton Abbey ! I love it.
AlexPolikowsky4: Gigi has friends over and they took the sticks to play!
Jill Parmer: Wait, I'm missing something. What are the errors?
Serah: Me too!
AlexPolikowsky4: Because they saw in here with me!
Virginia Warren:
AlexPolikowsky4: saw it ( the sticks)
Sandra Dodd: When Tom Branson was still the chauffeur, he was in a room with Lord what's-his, and the conversation was over, someone else came in, and BRANSON asked "will that be all?" or something.
Sandra Dodd: Wrong
AlexPolikowsky4: so what is the protocol?
Sandra Dodd: He would stand and not say anything if someone else had come in, and Lord Grantham would have told him "that will be all, Branson" or "leave us" or something. Or not, and Branson would have continued to stand there.
AlexPolikowsky4: That makes sense.
Sandra Dodd: So… Alex? Two sticks?
Sandra Dodd: (I guess it brought me joy to know enough to catch an error; not the nicest kind of joy.)
AlexPolikowsky4: Hold on Going to have to grab it from the girls!
renee c: I need to run but thanks for the chat!
Sandra Dodd: Bye, Renee
heathermbooth: bye renee!
Sandra Dodd: You just need two, Alex.
Sandra Dodd: Let them have the rest.
Virginia Warren: Bye
Sandra Dodd: Or ask them to come and play!
Chelsea joined the chat 3 hours ago
Sandra Dodd: Chelsea, we're playing Thinking Sticks.
Sandra Dodd: Alex is about to throw two.
AlexPolikowsky4: Movies and paintings!
Marta Pires: Cool!
Sandra Dodd: (for people who know know what Thinking Sticks are.
Serah: Oh! Oh! Annie and the Mona Lisa
Sandra Dodd: When "Sticks" is a noun, that's the link.
Jill Parmer: I love looking at the paintings, sets, clothing, in movies. The latest is I want some of those paintings in Amelie's living room!
Marta Pires: Movies and paintings -- I first saw Gustav Klimt's "The Kiss" in a movie with Campbell Scott and Julia Roberts. And I fell in love with him!
Sandra Dodd: Mr. Bean and the Mona Lisa
Sandra Dodd: No, no no… that was Whistler's Mother.
Sandra Dodd: Sorry.
AlexPolikowsky4: Some movies are like Paintings. The photography and art is so amazing! OR the scenery, or the props, colors, garb, lighting...
Serah: Yes, I learned about a lot of paintings in that movie, Marta
Marta Pires: The movie was called "Dying Young". A sad movie, though. But Campbell's character was into Art History and I learned a lot from that movie.
Sandra Dodd
Virginia Warren: O Brother Where Art Thou used special color post-processing to affect the mood
Marta Pires: Serah, same here!
Sandra Dodd: Mute the advertisement
Marta Pires: Yes Alex, some movies are like paintings!
Serah: Even the Da Vinci Code
AlexPolikowsky4
Virginia Warren: The movie "A Scanner Darkly" was rotoscoped, a technique where animators paint over each frame of live footage
Sandra Dodd: the movie "Sirens"
Chelsea: Movies that are entirely rotoscoped like Waking Life and that other one are like paintings.
Jaclyn Koehl: David Bowie as Andy Warhol, I thought of that because I read about Sandra's fan letter to David Bowie on her site.
Serah: Harry potter where the paintings moved
Sandra Dodd:
Jill Parmer: And left their frames.
Sandra Dodd: Rotoscope brings up hand-animation old-style. Snow White. Pinnochio.
Sandra Dodd: You mean to get into the room, Chelsea?
Chelsea: The triplets of Belleville
Daniel: I really liked A Scanner Darkly; it was a treatment of Phillip K Dick's writing that felt so true to me
Serah: Mary poppins were they pop into the chalk drawings
Virginia Warren: Color matching was hard in the old days of hand drawn animation on cells
Chelsea: To enter it
Virginia Warren: The cells would change the colors
AlexPolikowsky4: And I love the movie: The Thomas Crown Affair!
Daniel: it's interesting to see someone other than Speilburg (sp) interpret it
AlexPolikowsky4: He steals the famous paintings! Pretty cool movie!
Sandra Dodd: I have a page where I collect things like "paintings about paintings" and "movies about movies" (songs about songs, poems about poems) but not movies about paintings.
Daniel: If you want to see some very artsy-craftsy rotoscopy from before the digital age, check out the movie "Wizards". It's a horribly sexist movie, but some of the visuals are very compelling
Marta Pires: Yes Alex, Pierce Brosnan and Rene Russo are so cool in that movie!
AlexPolikowsky4: I know Marta!
Marta Pires:
AlexPolikowsky4: Such a good movie!
Misa: Oh. Parts of The Cell (w/Jennifer Lopez) were very much like a painting.
Chelsea: Movies about painters, like the Frida Kahlo biopic.
Chelsea: And that reminds me of the Doctor Who episode Vincent, although that's not a movie.
Sandra Dodd: The Agony and the Ecstasy
Serah: Bridge to Terrabithia when they go to the museum
Sandra Dodd: Alex, I would say that thinking sticks should not be played with google, but y'know what?
Sandra Dodd: The first such things we did here were with google.
Sandra Dodd: Holly would name something and I would name something at the same time and we would put them both in Google.
Daniel: that Doctor Who episode reminded me of Akira Kurosowa's "Dreams", with its whole Van Gogh sequence
AlexPolikowsky4: Sorry on a Google roll. Such a natural thing to Google here.
Virginia Warren: Ever heard of "Wiki war"? You race a friend to connect two terms in Wikipedia.
Daniel
heathermbooth: GOing to grab some breakfast. Be back in a bit.
Chelsea: And Dreams was a real painting of a movie.
Daniel: for real
AlexPolikowsky4: Sounds fun Virginia!
Sandra Dodd: That sounds fun, Virginia.
Daniel: and now I'm thinking about "What Dreams May Come", when Robin Williams' character is wading through a world of paint, in the painting his wife made
AlexPolikowsky4: Hey Daniel. Yes on the Dreams movie!
Daniel: Hi Alex, how are you?
Marta Pires: The Frida Kahlo movie with Salma Hayek was awesome. And the Modigliani one with Andy Garcia was so good too.
Virginia Warren
AlexPolikowsky4: Now I can think of Video Games and Paintings!
Serah: My boys just mentioned Ramona & beezus and the. Mural painting Ramona did with her dad
AlexPolikowsky4: Super Mario 64 ( both on DS and other plataforms) have paintings inside Bowser Castle that you jump in to go into levels!
Sandra Dodd: Pride and Prejudice (BBC mini-series version) has a good part involving paintings, when they visit Pemberley and talk about the miniatures, and the large portrait.
AlexPolikowsky4: Cool Serah!
AlexPolikowsky4: Will have to re-watch that Sandra as I do not remember! ( it has been a few years since I saw the BBC Special!)
Chelsea: It's on Amazon Prime instant.
Sandra Dodd: Puzzle Craft on the iPad has a museum to "populate" and one collection is paintings.
Serah: Titanic where Jack draws Rose
Sandra Dodd: Do you have Amazon Prime, Alex?
Serah: QM just thought of that one
Sylvia Woodman joined the chat 3 hours ago
Sylvia Woodman: Hello! Sorry I'm late!
Sandra Dodd: Sylvia, ask Alex if she has Amazon Prime. She won't tell me.
Sylvia Woodman: I was reading The Fault in Our Stars and I lost all track of time!
Sandra Dodd: Also, if you can think of a connection between paintings and movies, spill it.
Chelsea: Some of my friends are kick starting a game right now called For My Brother, and the art style is based on illuminated manuscripts.
AlexPolikowsky4: I do not! I have Netflix but I know my library has it because i used it last time!
Sandra Dodd: Heather, do you want to throw two more?
AlexPolikowsky4: Sorry I got a full house ! Kids!
Sylvia Woodman: Wasn't there a novel about a Vermeer painting that got made into a movie?
Sylvia Woodman: Dorian Gray?
AlexPolikowsky4: yes Dorian Gray!
Virginia Warren: The Picture of Dorian Gray by Oscar Wilde
Chelsea: Good one
regan joined the chat 2 hours ago
Sylvia Woodman: Ask me another!
regan: Girl with the Pearl Earring
Sylvia Woodman: YES!!!
Jill Parmer: Heather went to get breakfast, have someone else throw.
Sylvia Woodman: DaVinci Code hinges on a painting too doesn't it?
Jill Parmer: The Girl with the Pearl Earring?
Marta Pires: Two more: Water and Childbirth.
Virginia Warren: In "Bender's Big Score" Bender goes back in time and steals the wall on which "The Last Supper" is painted, and implies that he assaulted Leonardo Da Vinci.
Virginia Warren: Oops
Jill Parmer: ((oops Regan said it above me. weird that I missed that)) Doh.
Chelsea: Birth of Venus...water, birth, and also painting.
Daniel: I know Goya is referenced in Pan's Labyrinth
Daniel: there may have been a few painting references in that movie, but Goya is what stuck with me, because of the terrifying imagery
Serah: Ever After
Sandra Dodd: Does anyone have sticks handy besides Alex and Marta?
Sandra Dodd: I don't know Ever After, I don't think.
Sandra Dodd: Oh. I saw it once. Drew Barrymore.
Sandra Dodd: Marta, two more, please.
Chelsea: With Drew Barrymore? A re telling of...which fairy tale?
Serah: With Drew Barrymore. A cool take on the Cinderella story
Jill Parmer: Mine are at home...2000 miles from me. 
Sandra Dodd: Jill, where are you!?
Sandra Dodd: we moved this back so you could get to work today!
Jill Parmer: South Carolina. With Luke's gaming friends.
Debbie: In old movies when a woman is in labour, they boil water.
Jill Parmer: I'm on vacation.
AlexPolikowsky4: Where in the World is Jill Parmer?
Jill Parmer: Heh
Marta Pires: Water and Childbirth
Serah: Lol, love it Alex!!
Sylvia Woodman: So I need to come up with a movie and a painting related to Water and Childbirth?
Sandra Dodd: I met a Hawaiian guy (not in Hawaii, in a park in Albuquerque). He was a drummer.
Jill Parmer: Water breaking.
Sandra Dodd: He was one of like 10 kids (he was in his 20's)
Sandra Dodd: And he said his mom had her babies in the surf. She and his dad would go to the beach and she would have water births in the ocean.
Sandra Dodd: Combo native Hawaiian and hippie.
Sandra Dodd: She had had a couple of sets of twins, too. He was a twin.
Marta Pires:
Sylvia Woodman: I saw a documentary about Ina May Gaskin that featured both water and childbirth....
Jill Parmer: Wow.
Sandra Dodd: No, Sylvia; cancel the movie and painting now.
Bernadette joined the chat 2 hours ago
Jill Parmer: Baptism for some people.
AlexPolikowsky4: I saw a documentary where this couple has a child in a pool in the ocean ( natural pool).
Sylvia Woodman: So just any connection between water and childbirth?
Sandra Dodd: People are very careful about their water births, I think, and might not like the addition of salt and jellyfish.
Sandra Dodd: anything
Sylvia Woodman: or sharks!!!!
Bernadette: In Seven Brides for Seven Brothers they boil water for childbirth.
Sylvia Woodman: What about those babies that were born on the Mayflower on the trip between England and America?
Sylvia Woodman: I'm pretty sure one was called Oceanus which is kind of a cool name!
AlexPolikowsky4: Went to Google giving birth in the Ocean and found this new "dolphin assisted ocean birth" People are crazy!
Chelsea: I labored in water (an inflatable pool, not the ocean) but I gave birth on a stool because Cadence was breech and the midwife wanted to keep a close eye on him coming out.
Serah: In Call the Midwife they always boil water first
Misa: As a kid, I legitimately thought that's what doctors did. They boiled water and got towels. That always happens in the movies, when they're out somewhere and suddenly, "THE BABY IS COMING".
Daniel: I'm glad we didn't name him stoolius
Sylvia Woodman: LOL!
Sandra Dodd: I used to think there was something in a marriage ceremony that got the bride pregnant.
Jaclyn Koehl: Oh yes, Alex. We went to Maui for our Honeymoon and there was a park on the ocean there that had a special spot (the rocks were shaped just right, or they put the rocks a special way, I can't remember) for birthing in the water.
Sandra Dodd: I went to a wedding at my church, of the pianist and some guy. I watched very carefully for that magic moment; saw nothing.
Daniel: no sparkles or magic, eh?
AlexPolikowsky4: Gigi used to think if Brian and I got married again we would have another baby so she used to ask for us to get married.
Sandra Dodd: Daniel! This is not Alex's Daniel, then, I take it. Daniel Artisan
AlexPolikowsky4: Not my Daniel. He is Chelsea's Daniel
Sandra Dodd: That explains the knowledge of art. I thought your Daniel was quite up on his art and movies!
Jill Parmer: OH? This is Chelsea and Daniel? Greetings. :::wave::::
Chelsea: Hiiii!
Chelsea: Sorry for no last names
Sandra Dodd: It's okay
Sandra Dodd: So...
AlexPolikowsky4: When she got a little older she realized I could be bred or artificially inseminated ( That is what happens when you live in the farm- kids learn about the cows and bull/semen tank) and not the birds and bees
Sandra Dodd: water and childbirth water birth, water breaking, baptism(ish) and… any more?
Sandra Dodd: childbirth on the Mayflower.
AlexPolikowsky4: My Daniel is into the Middle Ages now! Excited about this Friday get together at local SCA and they are lending him some garb!
AlexPolikowsky4: My labors , both, started like in movies with my water breaking first. Before any big contraction.
Misa: That's funny, Alex. Because Kai figured out about IVF by learning about how it happens for animals and was like, "I bet they could do that to you, too."
Daniel: Daniel Artisan, yeah
Daniel: sorry, I should have put my last name in my user thingie
Daniel: hallo Jill
Sandra Dodd: So…we have half an hour.
Sandra Dodd: We've done four "sets," right? (if it was only three we can do one more; or we can do one more anyway; or we can stop and ask if there are current issues someone would like to discuss.)
Marta Pires: I think we've done four already.
AlexPolikowsky4: There are some new people to the chat maybe they have questions?
Jill Parmer: Give a moment for someone to speak up of a current issue? And if not do another with the Thinking Sticks?
Sandra Dodd: Are these connections coming more quickly for you than they would have / did when you were new to unschooling?
Marta Pires: I believe so, Sandra.
Sandra Dodd: Some people are naturally more prone to that than others.
Sandra Dodd: Some might have started off prone to make wild connections, but others shushed them about it and they closed down some.
Jill Parmer: I don't know. Not sure how I would have played before unschoolinng.
Sylvia Woodman: Well this is the sort of thing I always liked -- the boarders of "subjects" you know where art and philosophy touch or where history and science connect...
Sandra Dodd: Some never were much into divergent and ricochet pinball-like thought. But it can help their unschooling if they can experiment with that, and at least come to appreciate it (even if they themselves don't get good at it—their kids might)
Sylvia Woodman: I was always good a cocktail parties.
AlexPolikowsky4: I know I can go from one thing to another.... I make connections easy but everyone makes different connections and they bring it to a group so it is always more interesting with more people !
Sandra Dodd: In a "music appreciation" way, it helps for someone to dabble in something, or learn enough that they can tell beginner's looking things from really good things.
Sandra Dodd: Someone who plays saxophone just a little will, afterwards, know how hard it is to play it well. Same with pottery, watercolor, rodeo, breadmaking...
