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Nature intelligence, June 23, 2016
Nature Intelligence
(The word "naturalistic" is bothering me this week.)
Nature Intelligence
(The word "naturalistic" is bothering me this week.)
It's not about "nature" meaning trees and bugs, though it is that, too.
It's about the nature of things—categorization, distinguishing minor differences, identifying and sorting.
It's about the nature of things—categorization, distinguishing minor differences, identifying and sorting.
Marta Venturini: I'm watching Tom Hiddlestone at Nerd HQ in 2013. 
Tinlizzy: I'm here but I'm also working on our end of year portfolio. Ugg the typing and
Tinlizzy: School speak
Marta Venturini: Oh, Parvine won't make it today. Today is the first anniversary of her father's passing 
so she'll be with her family.
so she'll be with her family.
Robin B.: I'm sorry for Parvine and her family, Marta.
Robin B.: Mmm. Tom Hiddleston.
Sandra Dodd: Sandra Dodd: Last week's chat, transcript, with improved format and a full-length "What's Opera, Doc?" embedded, which includes the "Kill the Wabbit" part.
Sandra Dodd: The link is at the very top of this page. It wouldn't copy over into this line; sorry.
Sandra Dodd: "Full length" is not very long. 6 or 8 minutes?
Sandra Dodd: What's the advantage of this chat over just posting the same kinds of information and asking for input on Always Learning?
Sandra Dodd: Are you all on Always Learning?
Marta Venturini: I am.
Serah: me too, but havent read there in a while ;(
Sandra Dodd: I read it by e-mail.
Robin B.: I am. Haven't been there in a while, either, I'm afraid. Must. go.
Robin B.: Getting by email would be better, I think, to keep it top of mind. I honestly forget.
Marta Venturini: The chats have two advantages for me. The first is that sometimes, when you guys are describing situations and stories here, there are details that are shared that don't always transpire on Always Learning, and they usually help me have yet another a-ha moment. Does that make sense?
Tinlizzy: I read by email
Tinlizzy: Yes I think the chats can be more nuanced
Tinlizzy: And faster
Tinlizzy: Although sometimes faster doesn't allow for really thinking about it
Robin B.: That makes sense, Marta.
Serah: I agree with Marta, i like the connection and ideas that transpire throught the chat that don't always happen on email.
Robin B.: Tinlizzy, what do you mean by "more nuanced"?
Marta Venturini: And the second one is that, because I value the learning that I feel happens while I'm here (it helps me so much), I'm prioritizing this time and finding ways to be here and have two hours of (almost) uninterrupted time, without inconveniencing my family too much. It might help that at the moment, Conchinha is very much into minecrafting and skyping with friends, which allows me to be here. Bruno also helps me a lot and because he's working from home, he can help Conchinha if she needs any help.
Sandra Dodd: It's half an hour in. This plan of waiting half an hour is useless if we aren't expecting ten people anyway.
Sandra Dodd: About Nature Intelligence, though, I came across a very cool quote just this morning! It's from a Sherlock Holmes story
Tinlizzy: It seems people describe more, give examples or follow up that doesn't come thru when emailing a question
Sandra Dodd: called The Adventure of the Three Garridebs. It's describing a room:
Sandra Dodd: "The room was as curious as its occupant. It looked like a small museum. It was both broad and deep, with cupboards and cabinets all round, crowded with specimens, geological and anatomical. Cases of butterflies and moths flanked each side of the entrance. A large table in the centre was littered with all sorts of debris, while the tall brass tube of a powerful microscope bristled up among them. As I glanced round I was surprised at the universality of the man's interests. Here was a case of ancient coins. There was a cabinet of flint instruments. Behind his central table was a large cupboard of fossil bones. Above was a line of plaster skulls with such names as "Neanderthal," "Heidelberg," "Cro-Magnon" printed beneath them. It was clear that he was a student of many subjects. As he stood in front of us now, he held a piece of chamois leather in his right hand with which he was polishing a coin."
Robin B.: I see what you mean! Thanks!
Sandra Dodd: It's about a retired man living alone, and what his front room looked like.
Marta Venturini: But I do realize that it means 2 hours of Sandra's and Alex's and Jill's and Robin's and other experienced unschoolers' time in a week, devoted to something that isn't getting to that much people.
Sandra Dodd: When schools look at "naturalistic intellience," I think they're often (they meaning teachers or grad students writing about it or reading about it) thinking of birds and leaves. Just some science lesson. I could be wrong, but I think they stop at "nature."
Robin B.: Yes, like at outdoor "schools" (which seem to abound here).
Sandra Dodd: But what it's about is having a talent for seeing the nature of a thing—what IS, what is like, and what is different.
Robin B.: I don't think I've ever thought about it that way, Sandra. I like that idea.
Marta Venturini: Me too, Robin.
Robin B.: Hi Clare!
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Serah: interesting
ClareK: Hi
Tinlizzy: To a large part I agree. Although some of the other forms are there too
Tinlizzy: Like in math or philosophy
ClareK: I haven't heard the term 'naturalistic intelligence'. Where's it from?
Sandra Dodd: The collecting that went on, largely in England, in the 19th Century was like a huge fad of collecting and categorizing (and naming with scientific names) every bug, egg, bird, nest, snake, flower—EVERYTHING that could be found anywhere on earth—and exchanging knowledge with other collectors.
Sandra Dodd: Further writing on Howard Gardner's multiple intelligences, Clare.
Sandra Dodd: http://sandradodd.com/intelligences
Sandra Dodd: Or scroll up to the top of the chat.
ClareK: Thank you
Sandra Dodd: So that description from the Sherlock Holmes story was of a flat, not of a great house. There were people with the money and the time to collect. And taxonomy was a huge hobby and fad, and was practically considered to be synonymous with intelligence, if one could name an animal or plant by its "scientific name."
Sandra Dodd: It was like Pokemon for old men, in a way. Gotta catch 'em all.
Gotta catch 'em all.
Tinlizzy: Preschools focus a lot on sorting and classifying but then it largely fizzes out with reading other academic focus
Marta Venturini:
Sandra Dodd: it would have been wonderful if there were digital cameras. They could have saved a lot of the death of animals.
Marta Venturini: Indeed!
ClareK: I did scroll up but I couldn't find what I wanted quickly enough. The link you posted was plenty, though
ClareK: I've just been writing about Bloom's Taxonomy, which is what the UK council for nurses and midwives uses as a basis for its standards of nurse/midwifery education.
Sandra Dodd: Now, of course, it seems crazy that they went and caught one of every bug they didn't have (and killed it and pinned it) but they also sketched, and painted illustrations, and were the first to know most of what is known now.
ClareK: I know that's not how you were using the word 'taxonomy', but it made me think of Bloom's taxonomy
Sandra Dodd: In the 18th century, people were just starting to know and care about birds and mammals, I think. To be scientific about farming and ranching, a bit.
ClareK: The drawings in some of the books of these naturalists are incredible! So realistic!
Sandra Dodd: But that collecting was a hobby that could only well be done by someone with the means to travel the world (or to buy what others had found), and a house with big rooms to store it in (and money to buy shelves and glass cases), and people to feed you and clean up so that you could spend all day every day corresponding with others who were also collecting feathers or whatever it was you were looking at.
Sandra Dodd: Bloom's Taxonomoy is trying to put formal names to different parts of learning and thought.
Sandra Dodd: It's all about naming things, which is part of sorting and comparing.
Sandra Dodd: Part of that fad, too, was the new knowledge of genetics and evolution, so they weren't just collecting—they were comparing aspects of different animals and trying to find world-wide patterns, and mapping what lived where, and why.
Sandra Dodd: Because before those days, it was a mystery.
Sandra Dodd: If you look at pictures of animals in medieval books, they're TERRIBLE pictures! They really had no idea what an elephant looked like, in Europe. Or an alligator.
Sandra Dodd: So that's one big area of "nature intelligence," but now the tools are great houses with lots of servants (and farms to make enough money that the lord of the house could spend a year hunting in Africa or India or South America)
Sandra Dodd: Now it's video cameras. National Geographic funding. :_)
Sandra Dodd: Or BBC funding.
Tinlizzy: So digital
Sandra Dodd: And so they can study jellyfish or octopus without killing them or trying (vainly) to preserve them somehow.
Sandra Dodd: Robbie Prieto, Colleen's son, is a birder—can spot, lure, identify, discuss birds as well as an adult.
Marta Venturini: And he's been at it for some time now, hasn't he?
Serah: I really had no idea this was a type of intelligence. so cool!
Sandra Dodd: His life is overlapping, though, with a guy like our old across-the-street neighbor, John Wayne Prentice, who loves birds, but... kills them and stuff them. He's a taxidermist, and taught at a school, and has left that school with a museum of birds. Robbit won't want to do that, I think. And Mr. Prentice is older than I am and won't want to learn to use digital cameras, when he already has a mid-20th-century skill.
Sandra Dodd: http://ptpubco.com/news/2016/may/11/insp...
Marta Venturini:
Sandra Dodd: I have a beautiful oversize book here. If we were in person, it would end the chat for you to look at it.
Sandra Dodd: The Art of INstruction—Vintage Educational Charts from teh 19th and 20th Centuries
Marta Venturini:
Sandra Dodd: http://www.designsponge.com/2011/09/art-...
Marta Venturini: Wow, the cover is beautiful!
Sandra Dodd: Some of the art Clare was talking about—they would paint details of leaves, flowers, seeds... because there was no color photography, no close-up photography, not photography that could be taken into the wild to take photos of things that couldn't pose for 45 seconds or so.
Sandra Dodd: Lots of 19th century portraits have still, somber looking adults, and one blur of a kid who couldn't sit still that long.
Serah: love the cross sectioning
Sandra Dodd: So no photos of live tigers or bears, just dead ones.
Sandra Dodd: Lots of the kids used as examples on the page called Focus, Hobbies, Obsession are kids exercising their Nature Intelligence.
Marta Venturini: Beautiful drawings.
Sandra Dodd: http://sandradodd.com/focus
Sandra Dodd: Paintings, Marta. And before the time of acrylic paints, too.
Marta Venturini: Yes, paintings. Sorry.
Sandra Dodd: But to some people, all trees look the same. All bugs, about the same. All songs, about the same.
Sandra Dodd: What is something (each of you think of something, please) that you really know about. You can tell subtle differences.
Sandra Dodd: Me, traditional ballads, songs with lyrics, in English. I know lots about that. They don't "all sound the same" to me as some people say "all sounds the same."
Marta Venturini: Singers' and actors' voices. I can usually know who someone is just by their voice.
Sandra Dodd: My dad could tell a pickup at a distance—what make, model and year. When we were driving on a highway together, I would try to identify it first. He would give me a chance to say, and then would say what it was. Sometimes I was right, but not too often.
Sandra Dodd: I have a friend, Marta, who recognizes people by the way they move, walk, stand.
Sandra Dodd: So when there were Halloween costumes, or if someone was in new armor, or someone else's armor or costume, it didn't matter to her—she could still identify everyone.
Serah: i can't think of anything....
Marta Venturini:
Marta Venturini: Cool
Sandra Dodd: I don't recognize voices very well, so it bugs me when someone calls and says "Hi, it's me." I don't even want to talk to them after that.
Marta Venturini: Hehehehe
Sandra Dodd: Food, Serah? Spices? Clothes? Accents?
Tinlizzy: Voices on the phone never sound like in person
Marta Venturini: I was thinking of food too, when Serah wrote she couldn't think of anything.
Serah: ok, yeah food... spices, yes
Serah: not so good with accents
Serah: clothes, yes. i guess
Sandra Dodd: I have a story.
Sandra Dodd: When I was in college I worked in the cafeteria, breakfast. 5:45 a.m. every day.
Sandra Dodd: One day I was on the breakfast line, serving. I liked the dishwashing room better. But there I was that day.... my job was to say "bacon or sausage?" and if they said yes, to put some on a little plate with tongs and set it out.
Sandra Dodd: I was a robot saying "bacon or sausage?" That was my job, that morning.
Sandra Dodd: A guy rared back and said VERY LOUDLY, "Do I LOOK like I want bacon?"
Sandra Dodd: I looked at him. He was one of the first people I had looked at for an hour. It was early and they didn't want to chit-chat with me.
Sandra Dodd: So... #1, I know accents fairly wall, and he was a New Yorker, in Albuquerque, being too damned loud and rude.
Sandra Dodd: Other than that, 19 year old me didn't know WHAT he should look like as regarded bacon.
Marta Venturini:
Sandra Dodd: So I told my friend Michael Hersh, who was Jewish from Philadelphia, and Michael said the guys was totally Jewish looking and was the head of some campus organization regarding that, and that I shouldn't feel bad because nobody hated New York Jews as much as American Jews who lived elsewhere, because they gave Jews a bad name. So that was Michael's attempt to cheer me up.
Serah: funny!
Sandra Dodd: This was lunchtime the same day, in the same cafeteria.
Sandra Dodd: So I told Michael to teach me how to recognize Jews, and I would teach him how to recognize Mormons.
Sandra Dodd: So we practiced on people walking by. We were sitting in the atrium that day, where there were just eight tables, glassed in, in the middle of the cafeteria. So people couldn't hear us.
Sandra Dodd: I was guessing wrong half the time, but he was explaining why he could tell. I had grown up in a town with one Jewish person I knew of, and he was married to a Mexican Catholic woman in the days when marrying a Catholic meant promising that the children would be raised Catholic.
Sandra Dodd: Anyway... Sometimes it's experience and immersion in a culture or activity.
Sandra Dodd: A guitar maker or guitar salesman is going to know a LOT about guitars that someone who has played guitar for 40 years might not know, because playing one isn't the same as evaluating, comparing, repairing, describing them to buyers.
Sandra Dodd: And those people who haven't voluntered an area in which they're good at identifying subtle differences either aren't paying attention to my question, or maybe they really aren't good at it. Some people aren't. And nobody will be able to identify things just because it's a talent they have, if it's an area in which they're unfamiliar.
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Sandra Dodd: Alex can tell Korean actors apart.
Marta Venturini: Hehehehe
Marta Venturini:
Sandra Dodd: Some people can recognize a recording from the first note—like pop songs they've heard a lot.
Marta Venturini: Me!
Robin B.: I can do that, mostly from the first few notes.
Sandra Dodd: I can, sometimes. Holly and I have played around with just starting a song from our iTunes lists and letting the other person ID it.
AlexPolikowsky7: I cannot recognize a song like that at all!
Sandra Dodd: Here's another place where digital cameras and the internet allow people to satisfy their urge to collect without physically collecting: My Little Pony. Barbie.
Robin B.: I'm not bad at identifying accents.
Marta Venturini: I love to play that game, Sandra! Haven't done it in years. Nobody will play with me. 
Marta Venturini: Bruno's terrible at it. 
Sandra Dodd: Peopel don't need to own them to still track and categorize them, and the information can be put in public for others to share.
Robin B.: I can usually tell the difference among Australian, New Zealand and South African accents.
Serah: my boys can tell right away about a song they like
Serah: i used to be really good at it, not lately.
Sandra Dodd: At Goodwill (a thrift store) I got an unopened My Little Pony Easter basket and gave it to Devyn. Turned out (I didn't know!) that insider were three ponies, a table, cake... STUFF!
Robin B.: Nice!
Marta Venturini: Cool!
Serah: triple win
Sandra Dodd: And I looked it up and it was (I think, I've forgotten now) like 8 years old, and I was able to find the names of those ponies, in moments, because SOMEbody was listing them all.
Sandra Dodd: There are sites that list all the McDonald's toys (not that McDonalds' made, but collectors).
Sandra Dodd: Those kinds of lists of things seem to be human nature—to collect data.
AlexPolikowsky7: When Gigi was collecting ponies we spent hours I a website that has all the ponies listed!
Sandra Dodd: And whenever people are doing something, or thinking something is important, or defending something (like collecting), I think "How is this adaptive?"
Sandra Dodd: The "How is this adaptive" question relates, now, to 19th century naturalists, and to that Sherlock-Holmes fictional room of collections.
Sandra Dodd: When we're looking atou evolution and human history, WHY would it be useful for someone to know in detail what they've seen before or not seen, and where?
Sandra Dodd: It must be something that was useful 5000 years ago, or 50,000 years ago
Sandra Dodd: Partly, food. What's edible and what isn't?
Sandra Dodd: Animals. What's edible? What might want to eat (or sting or bite) you?
Sandra Dodd: What rocks can be sharpened by what other rocks?
Sandra Dodd: What sticks will last a long time, and take a point, and not bend?
Marta Venturini: It's like organizing information so it'll be easier to draw on it next time.
Sandra Dodd: And in a culture where those things aren't known, the human ability to sort and categorize and recognize differences and similarities finds other outlets.
Sandra Dodd: It's a way of thinking.
Sandra Dodd: Some people are great at it—can be geniuses in that area of intelligence.
Serah: I see that now.
Sandra Dodd: Others not so much, but we live in groups, and so if some of the people can, it's enough to maintain the group.
Sandra Dodd: When Kirby was little, even when he could hardly speak, he knew what things were. If we found a knob from an appliance, or a little rubber foot, or any little piece of plastic lying on the floor or in the yard, if we didn't know what it was we would show it to Kirby and he would take it straight to the TV, chair, toy, tool that it came off of and hold it up where it went, even when he wasn't able to re-attach it.
Sandra Dodd: Some, maybe he knew because he was the one who pulled it off.
Sandra Dodd: But he maintained that talent as he got older.
Marta Venturini: (going to get some food for Conchinha, be right back)
Sandra Dodd: If there was one game piece out, he knew which game it came from. Dice, by subtle color. Marker, by shape and the type of plastic. We had a lot of games, but he never confused the pieces.
Sandra Dodd: And so when things like Pokemon came along, he knew everything he heard or saw once.
Sandra Dodd: Same with rules to games. Once, and known.
Serah: impressive
Sandra Dodd: Some people are that way with dance moves or routines. They can learn it onnce and forever.
Sandra Dodd: Some with cooking. They don't need a recipe. They need to be told the process and the ingredients, and then they can do it. Or they watch once, and that's it for them.
Sandra Dodd: Some people know fabrics by feel.
Sandra Dodd: I'm pretty good with metals.
AlexPolikowsky7: I don't know any of that!
Sandra Dodd: Some people know wood (lumber, or smaller pieces of exotic wood) by weight, color, texture, scent.
Sandra Dodd: But Alex.... all of your cows looked exactly the same to me.
AlexPolikowsky7: But I know hundreds of dog breeds.
AlexPolikowsky7: I am not so great with cows. Brian and Gigi look at their butt and they know who it is. I know a few of them only.
Sandra Dodd: And within those breeds, you know differences, right?
AlexPolikowsky7: Yep
Sandra Dodd: Years ago, a mom wrote in a discussion that her child wanted to collect something they couldn't afford (dolls maybe? American Girl dolls?) and they started a scrapbook of photos.
AlexPolikowsky7: Kids have a much better memory than I do.
Sandra Dodd: And now, with digital cameras and easy webpages, kids can collect photos of information and rearrange it.
AlexPolikowsky7: That is a nice idea!
Sandra Dodd: But parents who don't have much of this ability or urge to collect knowledge should still be aware that their child's desire could be very real and important.
Sandra Dodd: The throwing away of baseball cards is a tragedy in our culture.
AlexPolikowsky7: Maybe that drive to catalogue is what drives sites like Wikipedia and Wiki pages! People contribute for free.
Sandra Dodd: My brother in law who is nearly 70 just complained to me a few weeks ago that his mom threw away his baseball cards.
Sandra Dodd: YES, Alex. I hadn't thought of that.
AlexPolikowsky7: Even my son used to contribute to some wiki pages.
Sandra Dodd: But I did go and look up (and cut and paste) the Sherlock Holmes quote, so fans of Arthur Conan Doyle have set all that up, with a search function.
Robin B.: Those things hurt. The throwing away of cherished things. In the case of baseball cards, they might have been really valuable.
Sandra Dodd: So don't do that to your own children.
Robin B.: Right!
Sandra Dodd: Robin, I have a library full of Polly Pocket, still being taken care of.
Robin B.:
AlexPolikowsky7: It is very "in" now to "konmari" your home or life minimalistically.
Marta Venturini:
Sandra Dodd: I need to pack them up before Keith's birthday, and then I'll let Devyn play with them again someday, but I don't let her take them out of the room.
Robin B.: I give things away only with Senna's consent. She went through a lot of stuff when we moved.
AlexPolikowsky7: Many parents spend hours discussing how to get rid of kid's "stuff"
Robin B.: They're pretty tiny things, those Pollys.
Sandra Dodd: And Alex—it's the best time in history to do that, because of smart phones and laptops and tablet computers.
AlexPolikowsky7: Makes me sad.
Sandra Dodd: Think of your own house 20 or 30 years ago (depending how old you are).
Sandra Dodd: Think of your own house 20 or 30 years ago (depending how old you are).
Sandra Dodd: I'm going to name some things from the 1970's, my house.
Robin B.: I like the Konmari thing, but it should never be used to deal with other people's stuff.
Robin B.: Especially your kids' stuff.
Sandra Dodd: Phone books (one new each phone, yellow pages separate). Almanac (fat, buy a new one each year—that's to keep from needing to go to the library).
Sandra Dodd: BIG dictionaries.
AlexPolikowsky7: Exactly Robin!
Sandra Dodd: Encyclopedias.
Sandra Dodd: All my books.
Sandra Dodd: All my records, and Keith's.
Sandra Dodd: New VCR! Lots of video tapes—needed their own new shelves.
Sandra Dodd: TV stands.
Sandra Dodd: Entertainment center.
Sandra Dodd: Growing collection of cook books. Needs a shelf.
Sandra Dodd: Cassette tapes, for the cars.
Sandra Dodd: This is all before we had kids.
Sandra Dodd: Games! Big lots of board games, card games, jigsaw puzzles.
Sandra Dodd: Get THAT into a tiny house.
Sandra Dodd: But you can.
AlexPolikowsky7: A table for the phone!
Sandra Dodd: Because now, all of that music and information are in an iPad.
AlexPolikowsky7: Or 2, or three phones around the house!
Sandra Dodd: Yes. A table for the phone with a drawer for the phone book and the telephone numbers and pencils and paper.
Sandra Dodd: Games don't have parts.
Sandra Dodd: People complain about micro-transactions in games. SO MINOR. I have games that cost $15, $25, $40 all around this house, and some werne't played with enough to make it worth it (some were).
Sandra Dodd: But I LIKE the games. They're pretty. I appreciate them as art. I have memories of people having been here and played.
Sandra Dodd: But it takes a lot of room.
Sandra Dodd: But the gaming even Kirby does with his family is increasingly electronic.
Sandra Dodd: Keith and I play Dr. Mario every day.
Sandra Dodd: It's not a new game. Kirby bought us an N64 just for that game.
Kirby bought us an N64 just for that game.
Sandra Dodd: I just saw a notice in my window here about the Cumbres and Toltec Railroad—the steam train that runs (for tourists to ride) back and forth across the border between New Mexico and Colorado.
Sandra Dodd: THERE is a hobby. People can't collect actual trains, but they do restore and operate, compare and categorize.
Sandra Dodd: In photos, maps, drawings, paintings.... trains. People who love trains LOVE trains.
AlexPolikowsky7: Many collect
AlexPolikowsky7: Trains
Sandra Dodd: Two of the board games on the shelf nearest me are about trains. Rail likes between cities—Trans America and Trans Europa.
Rail likes between cities—Trans America and Trans Europa.
Sandra Dodd: So, unschooling parents—accept, appreciate, encourage your kids' desires to know more.
AlexPolikowsky7: Trains make me thing of Agatha Christie and Thomas!
Sandra Dodd: Heraldry. Flags.
Sandra Dodd: Uniforms, technology, transportation (ships, planes, cars, trucks).
AlexPolikowsky7: Daniel has over 50 Thomas Engines ( not counting cars)
AlexPolikowsky7: Japanese!
Sandra Dodd: Languages, accents (not using them, but seeing how many there are, how they're related).
Sandra Dodd: Writing systems—"hands," fonts, historical forms.
AlexPolikowsky7: My son is so happy learning it!
Sandra Dodd: ANY collections, progressions, comparisons, knowledge.
Sandra Dodd: That IS exciting that Daniel not only is learning Japanese, but netted you a kimchi-making Korean couple to learn from!
AlexPolikowsky7: I know! Double good!
Sandra Dodd: I love random trivia, because eventually it turns into sets of ideas, and comparisons to other things.
Marta Venturini: Conchinha has a friend who absolutely loves trains. He's unschooled (you might remember him, Sandra -- he was the kid who had his Minecraft stuff destroyed by another kid who stayed at his place, when you were here for the symposium). They have been traveling a lot lately around Europe and they've been taking the train everywhere!
AlexPolikowsky7: He is so happy! He is loving it! Nothing like learning about your passion!
Sandra Dodd: But this nature intelligence is something higher than random trivia. It's like seeing the world in charts and graphs, in a way
Marta Venturini: So cool, Alex.
Sandra Dodd: I left my jacket in a train in France.
Marta Venturini:
Sandra Dodd: They had TWO luggage racks above the seat. I woke up from having been asleep and David Waynforth saying "Let's go, this is our stop," and I only checked ONE luggage rack.
Sandra Dodd: So I don't like the trains in France. Prejudice.
Sandra Dodd: But it was fast, quiet, clean... and stole my jacket.
AlexPolikowsky7: Ha!
AlexPolikowsky7: I took the fast train from Callais to Paris! It was super cool!
Sandra Dodd: We went from London to... I don't know. Somewhere where we were promised a seven passenger car and got a five passenger. France kinda stunk that day
Sandra Dodd: And we went to stay with my friend Helene, and I got flea bites, and now she has died.
Sandra Dodd: So I hate France.
Sandra Dodd: But they have some of the greatest wheelbarrows anywhere.
Marta Venturini:
Sandra Dodd: And I can collect wheelbarrows in their native habitats, thanks to photos and a blog!
Sandra Dodd: I love wheelbarrows, and I don't even own one of my own. Keith has one.
AlexPolikowsky7: I send you a tiny one! ☺️☺️
Marta Venturini: You need to buy one, then!
Sandra Dodd: No, just send a photo of one.
Sandra Dodd: I DON"T need to buy one! I can use Keith's.
Marta Venturini: Hehehehe
Sandra Dodd: Don't send anything. My house is too full.
AlexPolikowsky7: Nope I sent one for Christimas!
Marta Venturini: You could start collecting wheelbarrows!
Sandra Dodd: I collect (and share back out) photos. That's better.
AlexPolikowsky7: From Etsy. A few Christimas ago. Had little flowers.
Marta Venturini: And I love your photo collection!
Sandra Dodd: It's right on top of the TV in this room.
Robin B.: Have you seen this, Sandra? http://www.larsdatter.com/wheelbarrows.htm
Sandra Dodd: I hadn't, but I am NOT impressed.
Sandra Dodd: I hadn't, but I am NOT impressed.
Sandra Dodd: -=-These links show different types of wheelbarrows and hand-carts in use in the Middle Ages and Renaissance – as opposed to a handbarrow, which is basically a wheelbarrow without a wheel.-=-
Sandra Dodd: No, it's not "a handbarrow."
Sandra Dodd: It's "a barrow."
Sandra Dodd: I'll look at it, but I'm already critical of the thought and writing.
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Sandra Dodd: Thanks.
Robin B.:
Sandra Dodd: Regan, too late! We're done. But you can read back through, if you want to!
regan: ok! will do!
Marta Venturini: Thank you so much for the chat, Sandra.
Sandra Dodd: Robin, that's someone in the SCA. I'll look at it some more.
I'll look at it some more.
Serah: Thanks, Sandra. Have a great week everyone!
AlexPolikowsky7: Bye!!!! Thank you!
Sandra Dodd: Next week, the last of this series—Existential/Spiritual Intelligence
Marta
